Comments on: “Signature in the Cell” http://ideaclubok.org/archives/170 Fighting for Academic Freedom at the University of Oklahoma Sun, 01 Aug 2010 08:31:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Jeffrey A. Snipes http://ideaclubok.org/archives/170/comment-page-1#comment-17 Jeffrey A. Snipes Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:18:17 +0000 http://ideaclubok.org/?p=170#comment-17 So far the it seems that most of the criticisms of Meyers presentation are from those who obviously haven't read the book, and thus felt they could oversimplify Meyers presentation to get a sense of what he's arguing. Take this one for example: "The problem with that analogy is the problem that seems to underlie all of these improbability claims. You don’t need a specific dinosaur, you need any dinosaur." This is supposed to counter the argument from improbability used by Meyer with respect to proteins, but seeing that one person has already brought up the work of Axe that Meyer cites in his book, I think most of you can already see the flaw. In the end, criticisms so far all come right down to the whole argument of... "Yeah this is an improbable feature with respect to undirected processes but there was never a goal to produce that feature in the first place so HAH!" So far the it seems that most of the criticisms of Meyers presentation are from those who obviously haven’t read the book, and thus felt they could oversimplify Meyers presentation to get a sense of what he’s arguing. Take this one for example:

“The problem with that analogy is the problem that seems to underlie all of these improbability claims. You don’t need a specific dinosaur, you need any dinosaur.”

This is supposed to counter the argument from improbability used by Meyer with respect to proteins, but seeing that one person has already brought up the work of Axe that Meyer cites in his book, I think most of you can already see the flaw.

In the end, criticisms so far all come right down to the whole argument of… “Yeah this is an improbable feature with respect to undirected processes but there was never a goal to produce that feature in the first place so HAH!”

]]> By: Josh http://ideaclubok.org/archives/170/comment-page-1#comment-15 Josh Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:49:12 +0000 http://ideaclubok.org/?p=170#comment-15 Ben: We're not wanting to compete with ERV, but we think that it is a good measure to keep a good record available for those who weren't able to show up. Ben:
We’re not wanting to compete with ERV, but we think that it is a good measure to keep a good record available for those who weren’t able to show up.

]]> By: Ben http://ideaclubok.org/archives/170/comment-page-1#comment-14 Ben Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:17:25 +0000 http://ideaclubok.org/?p=170#comment-14 I remember from his book the Doug Axe reference. Axe calculated from his mutagenesis experiments that a protein of 150 AAs in length has a functional:non-functional ratio of 1 in 10^74. I remember from his book the Doug Axe reference. Axe calculated from his mutagenesis experiments that a protein of 150 AAs in length has a functional:non-functional ratio of 1 in 10^74.

]]> By: Ben http://ideaclubok.org/archives/170/comment-page-1#comment-13 Ben Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:43:45 +0000 http://ideaclubok.org/?p=170#comment-13 I don't think you need to compete with ERV. He's going to win the interwebz 4chan crowd but not anybody else. I don’t think you need to compete with ERV. He’s going to win the interwebz 4chan crowd but not anybody else.

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